ROBERT: Give it to the new -- well, that's what she saying. ROBERT: So after much trial and error with click and hums and buzzes MONICA GAGLIANO: All sorts of randomness. We're just learning about them now, and they're so interesting. Now that's a very, you know, animals do this experiment, but it got Monica thinking. And with these two stimuli, she put the plants, the little pea plants through a kind of training regime. We went to the Bronx, and when we went up there, we -- there was this tall man waiting for us. This is the plant and pipe mystery. I think you can be open-minded but still objective. I was, like, floored. All in all, turns out one tree was connected to 47 other trees all around it. To remember? Have you hugged your houseplant today? So I don't have an issue with that. And then I needed to -- the difficulty I guess, of the experiment was to find something that will be quite irrelevant and really meant nothing to the plant to start with. ], [JENNIFER FRAZER: Bethel Habte, Tracie Hunte, Matt Kielty ], [ALVIN UBELL: Matt Kielly. Hobbled, really. So you just did what Pavlov did to a plant. ROBERT: say they're very curious, but want to see these experiments repeated. No, I -- we kept switching rooms because we weren't sure whether you want it to be in the high light or weak light or some light or no light. They learned something. The problem is is with plants. He was a, not a wiener dog. Here's the water.". We've all seen houseplants do that, right? MONICA GAGLIANO: I don't know. ROBERT: Yeah. So there is some water outside of the pipe. I think there is something like a nervous system in the forest, because it's the same sort of large network of nodes sending signals to one another. It's like, no, no, I don't do that. Pics! The little threads just wrapping themselves around the tree roots. So they didn't. It's okay, puppy. Oh, yeah. Oh, so it says to the newer, the healthier trees, "Here's my food. But let me just -- let me give it a try. And after not a whole lot of drops, the plant, she noticed, stopped closing its leaves. LARRY UBELL: Or it's just the vibration of the pipe that's making it go toward it. The part where the water pipe was, the pipe was on the outside of the pot? JAD: That apparently -- jury's still out -- are going to make me rethink my stance on plants. JENNIFER FRAZER: If you look at these particles under the microscope, you can see the little tunnels. 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And every day that goes by, I have less of an issue from the day before. ROBERT: So that's what the tree gives the fungus. It's condensation. ], [JENNIFER FRAZER: And I am a science writer. Can you make your own food? Radiolab will continue in a moment. I found a little water! I thought -- I thought tree roots just sort of did -- like, I thought -- I always imagined tree roots were kind of like straws. JAD: You're doing the -- like, okay first it was the roots under the ground all connected into a whole hive thing. That is actually a clue in what turns out to be a deep, deep mystery. JAD: That is cool. All in all, turns out one tree was connected to 47 other trees all around it. On the fifth day, they take a look and discover most of the roots, a majority of the roots were heading toward the sound of water. Like, how can a plant -- how does a plant do that? Pulled out a is that a root of some sort? And so I was really excited. So ROBERT: He says something about that's the wrong season. ROBERT: They're sort of flea-sized and they spend lots of time munching leaves on the forest floor. And so of course, that was only the beginning. Give it to the new -- well, that's what she saying. Actually that's good advice for anyone. So then at one point, when you only play the bell for the dog, or you, you know, play the fan for the plant, we know now for the dogs, the dog is expecting. She's not gonna use hot water because you don't want to cook your plants, you know? So she decided to conduct her experiment. We dropped. It spits out the O2. SUZANNE SIMARD: Yeah. ROBERT: When we last left off, I'm just saying you just said intelligence. That's the place where I can remember things. SUZANNE SIMARD: Potassium and calcium and ROBERT: Like, can a tree stand up straight without minerals? He's holding his hand maybe a foot off the ground. Or maybe it's the fungus under the ground is kind of like a broker and decides who gets what. ROBERT: What do mean, the fungi will give me my sugar back? Robert, I have -- you know what? MONICA GAGLIANO: Picasso, enough of that now. As soon as we labeled them, we used the Geiger counter to -- and ran it up and down the trees, and we could tell that they were hot, they were boo boo boo boo boo, right? Yeah. And then they do stuff. ROBERT: So here's what she did. Maybe not with the helmet, but yeah. And not too far away from this tree, underground, there is a water pipe. To play the message, press two. Birds. Can Robert get Jad to join the march? And she goes into that darkened room with all the pea plants. JENNIFER FRAZER: But we don't know. A tree needs something else. Like for example, my plants were all in environment-controlled rooms, which is not a minor detail. Let me just back up for a second so that you can -- to set the scene for you. It's time -- time for us to go and lie down on the soft forest floor. ROBERT: Monica's work has actually gotten quite a bit of attention from other plant biologists. ROBERT: We're carefully examining the roots of this oak tree. They're father and son. But I wonder if her using these metaphors is perhaps a very creative way of looking at -- looking at a plant, and therefore leads her to make -- make up these experiments that those who wouldn't think the way she would would ever make up. I think there are some cases where romanticizing something could possibly lead you to some interesting results. LARRY UBELL: Yeah, and I have done inspections where roots were coming up through the pipe into the house. Transcript. And ROBERT: Since he was so deep down in there. But she had a kind of, maybe call it a Jigs-ian recollection. But she had a kind of, maybe call it a Jigs-ian recollection. The whole thing immediately closes up and makes it look like, "Oh, there's no plant here. Jennifer told Latif and I about another role that these fungi play. Kind of even like, could there be a brain, or could there be ears or, you know, just sort of like going off the deep end there. Remember that the roots of these plants can either go one direction towards the sound of water in a pipe, or the other direction to the sound of silence. JENNIFER FRAZER: Anyone who's ever had a plant in a window knows that. ROBERT: Just for example. I know, I know. ], Matt Kielty, Robert Krulwich, Annie McEwen, Andy Mills, Latif Nasser, Malissa O'Donnell. Hey, it's okay. Well, maybe. LARRY UBELL: It's not leaking. And so we are under the impression or I would say the conviction that the brain is the center of the universe, and -- and if you have a brain and a nervous system you are good and you can do amazing stuff. So what they're saying is even if she's totally sealed the pipe so there's no leak at all, the difference in temperature will create some condensation on the outside. Right? No, I don't because she may come up against it, people who think that intelligence is unique to humans. Start of message. Never mind. They have to -- have to edit in this together. Smaller than an eyelash. Well, so what's the end of the story? Then of course because it's the BBC, they take a picture of it. And does it change my place in the world? JAD: Coming up on the Plant Parade, we get to the heart -- or better yet, the root -- of a very specific type of plant. They definitely don't have a brain. What is it? And a little wind. ], [ALVIN UBELL: And Alvin Ubell. And the pea plant leans toward them. Couldn't it just be an entirely different interpretation here? We ask deep questions and use investigative journalism to get the answers. Huh. Ring, meat, eat. So they might remember even for a much longer time than 28 days. How does it know which way to turn and grow its roots so that it can find the water? JENNIFER FRAZER: Finally, one time he did not bring the meat, but he rang the bell. ROY HALLING: The last kind of part of the root gets tangled just around the edge. They're switched on. ], [JENNIFER FRAZER: This is Jennifer Frazer, and I'm a freelance science writer and blogger of The Artful Amoeba at Scientific American. Wait. So let's go to the first. They will send out a "Oh, no! Well, when I was a kid, my family spent every summer in the forest. They can't photosynthesize. It's okay. Testing one, two. MONICA GAGLIANO: Yeah, I know. JENNIFER FRAZER: Apparently she built some sort of apparatus. Yeah, I know. They shade each other out. They somehow have a dye, and don't ask me how they know this or how they figured it out, but they have a little stain that they can put on the springtails to tell if they're alive or dead. Like, can a tree stand up straight without minerals? Maybe just a tenth the width of your eyelash. These guys are actually doing it." Absolutely not. Could a plant learn to associate something totally random like a bell with something it wanted, like food? Isn't -- doesn't -- don't professors begin to start falling out of chairs when that word gets used regarding plants? Smarty Plants. Jad and Robert, theyare split on this one. Or even learn? Support Radiolab today atRadiolab.org/donate. Jigs is in trouble!" JENNIFER FRAZER: The whole thing immediately closes up and makes it look like, "Oh, there's no plant here. ANNIE MCEWEN: What was your reaction when you saw this happen? So we went back to Monica. Hobbled, really. So maybe the root hairs, which are always found right at the growing tips of plant roots, maybe plant roots are like little ears. How much longer? "I'm in the neighborhood. So otherwise they can't photosynthesize. Tubes. Like, the tree was, like, already doing that stuff by itself, but it's the fungus that's doing that stuff? So you're like a metaphor cop with a melty heart. So she decided to conduct her experiment. And for the meat substitute, she gave each plant little bit of food. Yeah, and I have done inspections where roots were coming up through the pipe into the house. ANNIE: But I wonder if her using these metaphors ANNIE: is perhaps a very creative way of looking at -- looking at a plant, and therefore leads her to make -- make up these experiments that those who wouldn't think the way she would would ever make up. ROBERT: They're father and son. And she says this time they relaxed almost immediately. There's -- on the science side, there's a real suspicion of anything that's anthropomorphizing a plant. And then Monica would ROBERT: Just about, you know, seven or eight inches. It was like, "Oh, I might disturb my plants!" ROBERT: And then later, scientists finally looked at these things under much more powerful microscopes, and realized the threads weren't threads, really. He's the only springtail with a trench coat and a fedora. So they might remember even for a much longer time than 28 days. Is your dog objecting to my analysis? So -- so carbon will move from that dying tree. It's just getting started. No. Wilderness Radio. But they do have root hairs. And when I came on the scene in 19 -- the 1980s as a forester, we were into industrial, large-scale clear-cutting in western Canada. I'm 84. ROBERT: She says a timber company would move in and clear cut an entire patch of forest, and then plant some new trees. So Monica moves the fans to a new place one more time. On the outside of the pipe. This is the headphones? This episode was produced by Annie McEwen. Gone. So here's what she did. RICHARD ATTENBOROUGH: It's the equivalent of a human being jumping over the Eiffel Tower. Same as the Pavlov. And again. Nothing happened at all. I mean, you're out there in the forest and you see all these trees, and you think they're individuals just like animals, right? So the fungus is giving the tree the minerals. MONICA GAGLIANO: I created these horrible contraptions. ROBERT: And then those little tubes will wrap themselves into place. ROBERT: That is correct. JAD: So they just went right for the MP3 fake water, not even the actual water? And we dropped it once and twice. LARRY UBELL: Good. ROBERT: Five, four, three, two, one, drop! ROBERT: But that scientist I mentioned MONICA GAGLIANO: My name is Monica Gagliano. Pics! SUZANNE SIMARD: When I was a little kid, I would be in the forest and I'd just eat the forest floor. ROBERT: There's -- on the science side, there's a real suspicion of anything that's anthropomorphizing a plant. ALVIN UBELL: You have to understand that the cold water pipe causes even a small amount of water to condense on the pipe itself. ROBERT: No, I -- we kept switching rooms because we weren't sure whether you want it to be in the high light or weak light or some light or no light. It's as if the individual trees were somehow thinking ahead to the needs of the whole forest. I mean, I -- it's a kind of Romanticism, I think. I guess you could call it a mimosa plant drop box. ROBERT: Instead of eating the fungus, it turns out the fungus ate them. Two very different options for our plant. Add to My Podcasts. They just don't like to hear words like "mind" or "hear" or "see" or "taste" for a plant, because it's too animal and too human. ROBERT: So it's not that it couldn't fold up, it's just that during the dropping, it learned that it didn't need to. They can also send warning signals through the fungus. And Basically expanding it from a kind of a column of a pit to something that's -- we could actually grab onto his front legs and pull him out. I think there is something like a nervous system in the forest, because it's the same sort of large network of nodes sending signals to one another. So you think that that this -- you think this is a hubris corrector? And it's that little, little bit of moisture that the plant will somehow sense. You have a forest, you have mushrooms. They're switched on. The glass is not broken. And so why is that? Robert Krulwich. Image credits: Photo Credit: Flickred! Wait. Right? Hey, it's okay. ROBERT: So the plants are now, you know, buckled in, minding their own business. Robert, I have -- you know what? We need to take a break first, but when we come back, the parade that I want you to join will come and swoop you up and carry you along in a flow of enthusiasm. Plants are amazing, and this world is amazing and that living creatures have this ability for reasons we don't understand, can't comprehend yet." Yeah, and hopefully not be liquefied by the fungus beneath us. That's the place where I remember things. Yeah. That's a parade I'll show up for. MONICA GAGLIANO: Yeah. I've always loved Radiolab. But they do have root hairs. Exactly. No, Summer is a real person and her last name happens to be spelled R-A-Y-N-E. ROBERT: This story was nurtured and fed and ultimately produced by Annie McEwen. It's 10 o'clock and I have to go. You got the plant to associate the fan with food. She says what will happen under the ground is that the fungal tubes will stretch up toward the tree roots, and then they'll tell the tree With their chemical language. Along with a home-inspection duo, a science writer, and some enterprising scientists at Princeton University, we turn our brain-centered worldview on its head through a series of clever experiments that show plants doing things we never would've imagined. Whatever. On our knees with our noses in the ground, and we can't see anything. And all of a sudden, one of them says, "Oh, oh, oh, oh! JAD: If the -- if the tube system is giving the trees the minerals, how is it getting it, the minerals? But what -- how would a plant hear something? I mean, can you remember what you were doing a month ago? Then she takes the little light and the little fan and moves them to the other side of the plant. And not too far away from this tree, underground, there is a water pipe. The bell, the meat and the salivation. I don't know yet. ROBERT: So I think what she would argue is that we kind of proved her point. Which by the way, is definitely not a plant. by Radiolab Follow. MONICA GAGLIANO: It's a very biased view that humans have in particular towards others. ROBERT: So we strapped in our mimosa plant. And it's good it was Sunday. PETER LANDGREN: Little seatbelt for him for the ride down. Don't interrupt. It involves a completely separate organism I haven't mentioned yet. JENNIFER FRAZER: Apparently, she built some sort of apparatus. You give me -- like, I want wind, birds, chipmunks Like, I'm not, like, your sound puppet here. And therefore she might, in the end, see something that no one else would see. They secrete acid. And so of course, that was only the beginning. And I do that in my brain. Smarty Plants by Radiolab | Podchaser Episode from the podcast Radiolab Next Episode Smarty Plants Released Wednesday, 14th February 2018 3 people rated this episode About Insights Pro Reviews Creators 9 Lists 1 Do you really need a brain to sense the world around you? Okay. Sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh. And moved around, but always matched in the same way together. I remember going in at the uni on a Sunday afternoon. This feels one of those experiments where you just abort it on humanitarian grounds, you know? JENNIFER FRAZER: Well, 25 percent of it ended up in the tree. Exactly. Along with a home-inspection duo, a science writer, and some enterprising scientists at Princeton University, wedig into the work of evolutionaryecologist Monica Gagliano, who turns ourbrain-centered worldview on its head through a series of clever experiments that show plants doing things we never would've imagined. Can you make your own food? ROBERT: But what -- how would a plant hear something? That is actually a clue in what turns out to be a deep, deep mystery. Nothing delicious at all.". Does it threaten your sense of humanity that you depend for pretty much every single calorie you eat on a plant? And they, you know, they push each other away so they can get to the sky. 2018. JENNFER FRAZER: Well, they do it because the tree has something the fungus needs, and the fungus has something the tree needs. People speculated about this, but no one had actually proved it in nature in the woods until Suzanne shows up. And she says this time they relaxed almost immediately. I thought okay, so this is just stupid. Or even learn? Science writer Jen Frazer gave us kind of the standard story. And the -- I'm gonna mix metaphors here, the webs it weaves. Nothing delicious at all. They run out of energy. Plants are complex and ancient organisms. Eventually over a period of time, it'll crack the pipe like a nutcracker. Do you really need a brain to sense the world around you? Of the tree's sugar goes down to the mushroom team? Actually that's good advice for anyone. /locations/california/culver-city/5399-sepulveda-blvd-bank-atm/ It was magic for me. However, if that's all they had was carbon ROBERT: That's Roy again. ROBERT: Had indeed turned and moved toward the fan, stretching up their little leaves as if they were sure that at any moment now light would arrive. However, if that's all they had was carbon That's Roy again. Of Accurate Building Inspectors. [laughs] When I write a blog post, my posts that get the least traffic guaranteed are the plant posts. ROBERT: And when you look at the map, what you see are circles sprouting lines and then connecting to other circles also sprouting lines. ALVIN UBELL: The glass is not broken. JENNIFER FRAZER: Then he would bring them the meat and he would ring a bell. Just the sound of it? 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